Sunday, March 04, 2012

Call yourself a 'brogrammer'? Then get the hell away from me.

If only the San Francisco Chronicle article 'Brogrammers' challenge coders' nerdy image had come out on April 1. If only, it was a joke. If only.

But these self-styled 'brogrammers' have decided that what the almost all-male world of programming needs is an injection of... frat-house antics. Great, just, great. Here's a choice quote from one of these neanderthals people:
"We got invited to a party in Malibu where there were naked women in the hot tub," said Stern-Sapad, 25. "We're the cool programmers."
The article continues:
"I don't need to wear a pocket protector to be a programmer," says John Manoogian III, a software engineer and entrepreneur.
Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Who the hell wears a pocket protector? But (shock! horror!), the whole 'brogrammer' thing might just be a little off putting to women programmers (you, know, the "hogrammers" the brogrammers sometimes have to work with):
There's also an audience that has been left out of the joke. Women made up 21 percent of all programmers in 2010, down from 24 percent in 2000, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Anything that encourages the perception of tech as being male-dominated is likely to contribute to this decline, said Sara Chipps, founder of Girl Develop It, a series of software-development workshops.

"This brogramming thing would definitely turn off a lot of women from working" at startups, said Chipps.
Because, guess what?, the frat-house 'culture' has always been just a teensy bit derogatory towards women.

Now, I've nothing against sociable programmers who want to 'have fun' and 'socialize' as the article puts it, but frankly the computer industry should not be laughing slyly at brogrammers or turning a blind eye.

Brogrammers should be actively shunned.

PS When this came up before on Hacker News I had a rather more succinct way of putting it:
Perhaps, but more than that it's bloody stupid.

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20 Comments:

Blogger Exeter.Grumpy said...

I can't imagine trying to maintain some of their code...

6:04 PM  
Blogger Exeter.Grumpy said...

I can't imagine trying to maintain some of their code...

6:05 PM  
Blogger Ryan McGrath said...

"...almost all-male world of programming needs is an injection of... frat-house antics..."

Implying that this entire industry didn't already suffer from this...?

I wholeheartedly agree in general (and will walk away from a company that employs anyone like this), but don't treat this as if it's a new thing - it's just slightly more apparent now. ;P

6:19 PM  
Blogger Liz said...

I completely agree! I realize some of the time it's meant to be ironic, but when hipster irony looks, sounds, and behaves exactly like actual misogyny, guess what. It counts as actual misogyny.

6:50 PM  
Blogger AZ said...

I think that Muslim Arabs who pronounce "p" as "b" may be insulted.... you should check this before posting

7:40 PM  
Blogger AZ said...

I think that Muslim Arabs who pronounce "p" as "b" may be insulted.... you should check this before posting

7:41 PM  
Blogger doug said...

We got invited to a party in Malibu where there were naked women in the hot tub as one giddy brogrammer squeals. wow! only 25 y/o and manage to get within a few feet of a naked, live human female-how exciting. OMFG! this is better than coding in PHP!

7:50 PM  
Blogger Tyler Hurst said...

Still nerds, guys. You're still nerds.

It's cool though. Thanks for making it easier for non douchebags to date and marry the smartest, funniest and coolest ones.

High fives.

NERDS

8:14 PM  
Blogger Mykola Smith said...

You come across as a whiny bitch in this article. The author of the article in question comes across as a total douche-bag. Deal with it...

9:34 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

the term seems like a god-send to would-be employers- the industry likes its workers indoors programming all the time and uncomfortable in the real world

10:20 PM  
Blogger bromogrammer said...

well, those brogrammers quoted in the sf gate article are pretty funny.
Someone else needs to take a crack at the titles though.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36fte9/

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36fth7/

11:13 PM  
Blogger bromogrammer said...

well, those brogrammers quoted in the sf gate article are pretty funny.
Someone else needs to take a crack at the titles though.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36fte9/

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36fth7/

11:13 PM  
Blogger Holtrain said...

Whooptie do if there are some programmers out their who try to bring some flair to the game. They are 'jokingly' trying to show that not all coders and fantasy, sci fi geeks.

If u you have no desire to achieve hugh jackman status from swordfish, don't hate on those whose only goal is to break the code while getting a bj...

Also if you think brogramming is sexist, u are taking it and yourself too seriously.

11:35 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

You and your hate-mongering is what should be shunned.

2:23 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

You and your hate-mongering is what should be shunned.

2:23 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

You and your hate-mongering is what should be shunned.

2:23 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

It's you and your hate-mongering that is to be shunned.

2:23 AM  
Blogger Stefan said...

"I can't imagine trying to maintain some of their code..."

I've seen lots of unmaintainable, awful code, and none of it came from brogrammers. I've not yet met any brogrammers, I think, but I think it's almost impossible that their work is below average.

5:49 AM  
Blogger Paul said...

I think it was a joke. It just got found and regurgitated on a slow news day months after the original joke wore itself out.

From last year:
http://www.quora.com/Brogramming/How-does-a-programmer-become-a-brogrammer

12:16 PM  
Blogger pur un dieu est aimable prĂ© plaisant said...

Thankfully we don't have this in the UK although there's still a huge alpha male pissing contest out there

9:27 AM  

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